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		<title>Comment on Rutland Arms, Brown Street, Sheffield by Rutland Arms &#8211; Sheffield - Dave's Restaurant and Pub Guide</title>
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		<title>Comment on A Thornbridge too far? by stuartastill</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 08:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never been a fan of Thornbridge beers, with the exception of Brother Rabbit, personally I find Wild Swan one of the few session beers unpleasant enough to push me to a stronger option. So I agree that the lack of guest beers in most Thornbridge pubs is a problem. I came on here wanting a good moan about Thornbridge going a bit too far (partly because two of my favourite barmen have been lost: from Trippets and, now, the Bath, as a result of Thornbridge takeovers) but I realise that i am in fact very ambivalent.

Price: can&#039;t agree that Thronbridge is too pricey. I always found the prcies at the Bath to be one of the few things that kept me away. You can get a cheaper good pint at Henry&#039;s (from a fantastic ale range) and across the road at The Beehive (watch out for those &#039;suspect clientele&#039; though) or of course &#039;Spoons. 

Ale quality: The Hallamshire was always massively better at keeping beer than the Closed Shop and I never had a bad pint. Still a few lengths behind other &#039;community&#039; pubs like the Cobden View though. Thornbridge is at least consistent and takes pride in its ale - just &#039;cos I don&#039;t like it doesn;t make it bad ale.

Attitude: I&#039;m not sure if Mike P is still leading on the &#039;pub grab&#039; but there are obviously hits and misses.. but one thing is sure is that his motivation is always to create a better pub than before - a bit of a problem for those of us that like slightly shabby pubs with good beer. I am slightly worried about the homgeniety argument - but as the pubs get established I am hoping that the shared ownership (or is it &#039;franchise&#039;) model that seems to be behind the new projects will mean that once the new car smell is gone a thousand flowers will bloom.

Politics: the less said about this the better. We have to be careful that someone with ready access to a pot of money to invest cannot be seen to squeeze out the chance for other less well endowed brewers and potential entrepreneurs to get in there. Mind you given the state of the nearest three pubs to me (Star and Garter, Hadfield and Springvale) and many, many others in central Sheffield alone there is, as folk have been heard to say when discussing a Thornbridge sister project, there&#039;s plenty of unemployed to go round.

So in summary - don&#039;t like the beer that much but on balance better than a bottle of Beck&#039;s in Walkabout. But my number one is still Henry&#039;s &quot;Cafe Bar&quot; for price, choice and service with a smile.

[I have no association with any trade that remotely connects with pubs, beer or anything else like it - I just drink responsibly in a range of pubs and bars!]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been a fan of Thornbridge beers, with the exception of Brother Rabbit, personally I find Wild Swan one of the few session beers unpleasant enough to push me to a stronger option. So I agree that the lack of guest beers in most Thornbridge pubs is a problem. I came on here wanting a good moan about Thornbridge going a bit too far (partly because two of my favourite barmen have been lost: from Trippets and, now, the Bath, as a result of Thornbridge takeovers) but I realise that i am in fact very ambivalent.</p>
<p>Price: can&#8217;t agree that Thronbridge is too pricey. I always found the prcies at the Bath to be one of the few things that kept me away. You can get a cheaper good pint at Henry&#8217;s (from a fantastic ale range) and across the road at The Beehive (watch out for those &#8216;suspect clientele&#8217; though) or of course &#8216;Spoons. </p>
<p>Ale quality: The Hallamshire was always massively better at keeping beer than the Closed Shop and I never had a bad pint. Still a few lengths behind other &#8216;community&#8217; pubs like the Cobden View though. Thornbridge is at least consistent and takes pride in its ale &#8211; just &#8216;cos I don&#8217;t like it doesn;t make it bad ale.</p>
<p>Attitude: I&#8217;m not sure if Mike P is still leading on the &#8216;pub grab&#8217; but there are obviously hits and misses.. but one thing is sure is that his motivation is always to create a better pub than before &#8211; a bit of a problem for those of us that like slightly shabby pubs with good beer. I am slightly worried about the homgeniety argument &#8211; but as the pubs get established I am hoping that the shared ownership (or is it &#8216;franchise&#8217;) model that seems to be behind the new projects will mean that once the new car smell is gone a thousand flowers will bloom.</p>
<p>Politics: the less said about this the better. We have to be careful that someone with ready access to a pot of money to invest cannot be seen to squeeze out the chance for other less well endowed brewers and potential entrepreneurs to get in there. Mind you given the state of the nearest three pubs to me (Star and Garter, Hadfield and Springvale) and many, many others in central Sheffield alone there is, as folk have been heard to say when discussing a Thornbridge sister project, there&#8217;s plenty of unemployed to go round.</p>
<p>So in summary &#8211; don&#8217;t like the beer that much but on balance better than a bottle of Beck&#8217;s in Walkabout. But my number one is still Henry&#8217;s &#8220;Cafe Bar&#8221; for price, choice and service with a smile.</p>
<p>[I have no association with any trade that remotely connects with pubs, beer or anything else like it - I just drink responsibly in a range of pubs and bars!]</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Thornbridge too far? by moke</title>
		<link>http://gettothepub.com/2012/04/25/bath-hotel-thornbridge-too-far/#comment-1047</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[as the originator of the Greene King comment - my fear is that one of the best things about Sheffield - the great variety of micro breweries and genuine freehouses is beginning to come under threat.

Thornbridge are a different fish compared to the other small and medium brewcos - founded out of a multimillion pound empire, entwined with directorships of property oriented businesses, and endowed with resources that the local micros could only dream of. it would seem they are keen to grab as large a slice of Sheffield&#039;s burgeoning and profitable real ale scene as they can - eventually it&#039;s going to cost another brewery dear.

Plus i&#039;m not mad on their beers - mostly overpriced and overhopped for my tastes. As with most, i&#039;m delighted that they are reviving pubs owned by the likes of Punch and Enterprise, but this latest landgrab has likely cost them my custom - i&quot;ll stick to the Blake for now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as the originator of the Greene King comment &#8211; my fear is that one of the best things about Sheffield &#8211; the great variety of micro breweries and genuine freehouses is beginning to come under threat.</p>
<p>Thornbridge are a different fish compared to the other small and medium brewcos &#8211; founded out of a multimillion pound empire, entwined with directorships of property oriented businesses, and endowed with resources that the local micros could only dream of. it would seem they are keen to grab as large a slice of Sheffield&#8217;s burgeoning and profitable real ale scene as they can &#8211; eventually it&#8217;s going to cost another brewery dear.</p>
<p>Plus i&#8217;m not mad on their beers &#8211; mostly overpriced and overhopped for my tastes. As with most, i&#8217;m delighted that they are reviving pubs owned by the likes of Punch and Enterprise, but this latest landgrab has likely cost them my custom &#8211; i&#8221;ll stick to the Blake for now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Thornbridge too far? by Hannah PYT</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s been quite interesting coming into this debate as someone who hasn&#039;t lived in Sheffield for long. In Manchester it seemed like only recently have the pubs and bars started paying attention to (good) ales, and the wide range of Robinsons-owned pubs never really convinced me to try more ale. When pubs and bars did start taking an interest in a wier range of beers they were often overpriced (I love Port Street Beer House, and used to live a stone&#039;s throw from it, but my oh my was it pricy), and as such the Thornbridge pubs in Sheffield seemed very exciting when we moved here last summer. Sure, they&#039;re more expensive than some of the pubs around, but hey, compared to what we&#039;d become used to in Manchester almost everything here seems like a bit of a bargain. Now we keep hearing more and more about Thornbridge taking over Sheffield pubs - and now seemingly taking them on when they&#039;re not in danger of closing - and it&#039;s starting to shift opinion a bit. Personally I really enjoy a lot of their beers, and like the atmosphere in the pubs and bars of theirs I&#039;ve been in... but that doesn&#039;t mean I want to lose the great range of choice that Sheffield has in its pubs at the moment. So that&#039;s it from me I guess!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been quite interesting coming into this debate as someone who hasn&#8217;t lived in Sheffield for long. In Manchester it seemed like only recently have the pubs and bars started paying attention to (good) ales, and the wide range of Robinsons-owned pubs never really convinced me to try more ale. When pubs and bars did start taking an interest in a wier range of beers they were often overpriced (I love Port Street Beer House, and used to live a stone&#8217;s throw from it, but my oh my was it pricy), and as such the Thornbridge pubs in Sheffield seemed very exciting when we moved here last summer. Sure, they&#8217;re more expensive than some of the pubs around, but hey, compared to what we&#8217;d become used to in Manchester almost everything here seems like a bit of a bargain. Now we keep hearing more and more about Thornbridge taking over Sheffield pubs &#8211; and now seemingly taking them on when they&#8217;re not in danger of closing &#8211; and it&#8217;s starting to shift opinion a bit. Personally I really enjoy a lot of their beers, and like the atmosphere in the pubs and bars of theirs I&#8217;ve been in&#8230; but that doesn&#8217;t mean I want to lose the great range of choice that Sheffield has in its pubs at the moment. So that&#8217;s it from me I guess!</p>
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